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PostSubject: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:16 am

This is about my beliefs, if you have any question no matter how stupid it may seem, feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:51 am

What is an Odonist? Dictionary.com just gives me a bunch of stuff about some Greek god or something...
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:55 am

Same. WHat is an odinist? Honestly though, it's my first time to hear that. Odinist? Hmm.. Question
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:01 am

I've heard of a lot of stuff, but this isn't part of my heard terms. Does it have something to do with war? The god is the god of war for some people, Dictionary.com said...Question Question Question
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:06 am

A greek god? it is the ancient norse beliefs, Im going to be quoteing my IF thread here.

Odinism is the name we give to the original religion of the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, and by the related Teutonic peoples of the Continent. It is, accordingly, the ancestral, native religion of the English people, and, as such, our very own spiritual heritage. Odinism is an ancient religion whose origins are lost in the mists of time, but it has been restored in recent decades by those who believe it offers a solution to modern Man's spiritual crisis.
Odinism is a life-affirming religion. Odinists value and esteem everything that sustains, promotes, enhances and enriches life. Odinists do not see our life on Earth as merely being a preparation for a life hereafter. We see it as an end in itself, as something positive, good and hallowed. We rejoice in and celebrate all that is wonderful in the world around us: the fruitfulness of Nature, the changing seasons, the comforts of family and home, human creativity, and our personal and collective achievements. Odinists do not indulge in fasting and penitence; rather, we worship the gods in our feasting and merry-making

We believe in and honour the life-giving and bountiful gods and goddesses of the Odinic pantheon, whom we refer to collectively as the High Gods of Asgarth, or as the Æsir and Vanir. Our gods are true gods, divine, living, spiritual entities, endowed with power and intelligence, able and willing to intervene in the course of Nature and of human lives. It behoves us to seek their goodwill and succour through prayer and sacrifice. But the gods do not require us to abase and humble ourselves; they do not seek to make of us craven slaves. Odinists therefore do not bow or kneel or kow-tow to the gods, but address them proudly like free, upstanding men and women. Odinists regard our gods, not as our masters, but as firm friends and powerful allies.
Odinists subscribe to the principle of the 'priesthood of all believers', insofar as any adult Odinist, male or female, who has made the Pledge of Faith, may lead a congregation or perform priestly duties without any further act of ordination, provided that he enjoys the confidence of his fellow Odinists. Likewise, in cases of necessity, any Odinist may celebrate the sacrifice of the Remembrance Cup. Of course, in practice, not every Odinist is willing or able to mah booty a position of leadership within the Fellowship.

There are no places of worship such as temples now, but we do plan for there to be eventualy.
we have no sacred texts but we do have the Eddas, all of which are most certainly human authered.
The Eddas do, indeed, contain contradictions and, no doubt, errors, and they must be examined critically and objectively, taking full account of the historical circumstances of their composition, for, like all human literature, they are the product of their era and environment. The importance of the Eddas to the contemporary revival of Odinism, however, is self-evident, for how else could an ancient form of religion be restored, except by reference to sources of historical information, such as they provide us with? Therefore, no literate Odinist should fail to devote time to their study.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:11 am

Ah, that clears things up a lot. So, it has a lot to do with literature?
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:12 am

Yeah. WHat will happen if someone fails to his/her study?
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:15 am

Study? all it is about mostly, is ejoying life and living a brave honourable life, before you are taken to Frejnhal or Valhalla.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:17 am

SO, is Valhalla like Heaven or is it something entirely different?
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:19 am

And would that mean Frejnhal is hell?

This seems like a complicated religion, but I can tell it's rather simple (don't take that the wrong way). Very interesting, to say the least.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:22 am

Let me find the page detailing the nine worlds...

Well to start then. Yggdrasil is an immense ash tree that is central and considered very holy. The Æsir go to Yggdrasil daily to hold their courts. The branches of Yggdrasil extend far into the heavens, and the tree is supported by three roots that extend far away into other locations; one to the well Urðarbrunnr in the heavens, one to the spring Hvergelmir, and another to the well Mímisbrunnr. Creatures live within Yggdrasil, including the harts Dáinn, Dvalinn, Duneyrr and Duraþrór, and an unnamed eagle, and the wyrm Níðhöggr.

A quote from the Völuspá.

An ash I know there stands,
Yggdrasill is its name,
a tall tree, showered
with shining loam.
From there come the dews
that drop in the valleys.
It stands forever green over
Urðr's well.

Now for the nine worlds.
Three worlds above the earth, in heaven:

1. Ásgarðr
2. Álfheimr
3. Múspell

Three worlds on earth:

4. Vanaheimr
5. Midgard
6. Jötunheimr

Three worlds below the earth, in underworld:

7. Niflheimr
8. Hel
9. Svartálfaheimr


Im nt sure on the details with some of them, its alot of information to find. We are in Midgard, Valhalla is in Ásgarðr (Asgard)

Frenjhalm is like Valhalla, it is also in Ásgarðr

Asgard (Ésageard) is the home of the tribe of Norse gods and goddesses known as the Aesir. Twelve palaces or halls were built for each of the more prominent Aesir.
The only entrance to Asgard is through the "Rainbow Bridge" called Bifrost (Bilrost). Another name for Bifrost is Ásabrú or As-bridge. The red arc in the rainbow is actually burning fire, so to make the bridge mah booty for mountain-giants and frost-giants. The responsibility of guarding the entrance is entrusted to Heimdall. Heimdall's home is called Himinbiorg, and it is built near Bifrost.

Thor dwelled in the domain, known as Thrudvangar. Thrudvangar has 540 apartments and his main hall is called Bilskirnir. While Balder lived in Breidablik and Forseti has a hall called Glitnir, where he acted as judge for the world of gods and men.
Freyja lived in a grand palace, called Fólkvangar (Folkvangar). She has several halls within her home, but she mainly lived in her hall Sessrumnir, though she is often seen in Folkvang ("Field of Folk"). Her father is the sea god Njord, who preferred to live at the coastal residence, Nóatún, while Freyja's brother, Freyr, is the Lord of the Elves, so his home is called Alfheim, the world of the elves.
Frigg, Odin's wife, often confused with Freyja; had her own hall called Fensalir. No one could enter her hall and see Frigg without the permission of Fulla, an Asynia and attendant of Frigg.
Odin dwelled in the great hall is called Valaskjalf, where he has a great throne called Hlidskjalf. It seemed that the roof of Valaskjalf is made out of silver.

However, the best-known hall is that of Odin's known as Valhalla or Valhall. Valhalla is the hall where the slain warriors reside after falling in battles. While he is seated in the hall of Valhalla, he is known as by the name Val-father, meaning the "Father of the Slain".
The centre of the city is called Idavoll. Here, the halls Gladsheim and Vingolf were constructed. Gladsheim is the biggest and best building. It is a temple with twelve thrones, and everything seemed to be made of gold. Vingolf is a very beautiful sanctuary for the goddesses.

Ælfham (Alfheimr) is the home of the elves and was given as a gift to the god Fréa for his first tooth. It was thought of as a place of great beauty, as were its inhabitants. Many believe it lies near Ágarðr.
I dont know much about this world as Im still studieing the Eddas.

Middangeard (Midgard): Midgarðr is the realm of Man and is thought of lying in the center of the Nine Worlds. It is surrounded by a vast ocean and about it lies a wall built by the gods to protect it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:42 am

Wow, that makes it seem 10x more complicated...Makes sense at the same time though...
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:43 am

Hehe, if you think that is complex, do not ask about Odinist creationism view or the gods Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:46 am

I won't attempt it. Rain is right, makes sense but it is TOOOO complicated. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:48 am

Awww, I have two pages ready to drown you in information Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:51 am

Fighting

Feel free to post it, so that others can understand it better...just not too much at once, TMI!
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:56 am

Here are a few of the gods.

Odin was the Father of all the Gods and men. Odhinn is pictured either wearing a winged helm or a floppy hat, and a blue-grey cloak. He can travel to any realm within the nine Nordic worlds. His two ravens, Huginn and Munin (Thought and Memory) fly over the world daily and return to tell him everything that has happened in Midgard. He is a God of magick, wisdom, wit, and learning. He too is a psychopomp; a chooser of those slain in battle. In later times, he was mah booty with war and bloodshed from the Viking perspective, although in earlier times, no such mah booty was present. If anything, the wars fought by Odhinn exist strictly upon the Mental plane of awareness; appropriate for that of such a mentally polarized God. He is both the shaper of Wyrd and the bender of Orlog; again, a task only possible through the power of Mental thought and impress. It is he who sacrifices an eye at the well of Mimir to gain inner wisdom, and later hangs himself upon the World Tree Yggdrasil to gain the knowledge and power of the Runes. All of his actions are related to knowledge, wisdom, and the dissemination of ideas and concepts to help Mankind. The day Wednesday (Wodensdaeg) is named for him.

Thor, or Donnar, also known as the Thunderer, was considered to be a son of Odin by some, but among many tribes Thor actually supplanted Odin as the favorite god. He is considered to be the protector of all Midgard, and he wields the mighty hammer Mjollnir. Thor is strength personified. His battle chariot is drawn by two goats, and his hammer Mjollnir causes the lightning that flashes across the sky. Of all the deities, Thor is the most "barbarian" of the lot; rugged, powerful, and lives by his own rules, although he is faithful to the rest of the Aesir. The day Thursday (Thorsdaeg) is sacred to him.

Freya is considered to be the goddess of Love and Beauty, but is also a warrior goddess and one of great wisdom and magick. She and her twin brother Freyr are of a different "race" of gods known as the Vanir. Many of the tribes venerated her higher than the Aesir, calling her "the Frowe" or "The Lady." She is known as Queen of the Valkyries, choosers of those slain in battle to bear them to Valhalla. it is said that she gets the "first pick" of the battle slain. She wears the sacred necklace Brisingamen, which she paid for by spending the night with the dwarves who wrought it from the bowels of the earth. The cat is her sacred symbol.

Freyr (Fro Ingwe) is Freya's twin brother. He is the horned God of fertility, and has some similarities to the Celtic Cernunnos or Herne, although he is NOT the same being. He is known as King of the Alfs (elves). Both the Swedish and the English are said to be descendents of his. The Boar is his sacred symbol, which is both mah booty with war and with fertility. His golden boar, "Gullenbursti", is supposed to represent the daybreak. He is also considered to be the God of Success, and is wedded to Gerda, the Jotun, for whom he had to yield up his mighty sword. At Ragnarok, he is said to fight with the horn of an elk.

Tyr (or Tiw, Ziw) is the ancient god of War and the Lawgiver of the gods. He sacrifices his hand so that the evil Fenris wolf may be bound. At one time he was the leader of the Norse Pantheon, but was supplanted by Odin much later. There is nothing to indicate how this occurred; one mah booty that he simply "stepped back" and let Odin mah booty the position of leadership. Tyr is excellent in all manners of Justice, fair play, and Right Action.

Loki, the Trickster, challenges the structure and order of the Gods, but is necessary in bringing about needed change. He is also known as the god of Fire. Neither an Aesir or a Vanir, he is of the race of Ettins (Elementals) and thus possesses some daemonic qualities. He is both a helper and a foe of the Aesir; he gets them out of predicaments, but spawns the worst monsters ever seen on the face of the Earth: the Fenris Wolf and Jormurgandr, the Midgard Wyrm. His other children include the goddess Hel and Sleipnir, Odin's 8-legged horse; these beings are at least benign, if not somewhat terrifying to behold.

Heimdall is the handsome gold-toothed guardian of Bifrost, the rainbow bridge leading to Asgard, the home of the Gods. It is Heimdall who is to sound the signal horn to the Aesir that Ragnarok, the great destruction is beginning.

Skadi is the Goddess of Winter and of the Hunt. She is married to Njord, the gloomy Sea God, noted for his beautiful bare feet. The bare foot is an ancient Norse symbol of fertility. The marriage wasn't too happy, though, because she really wanted Baldur for her husband. She is the goddess of Justice, Vengeance, and Righteous Anger, and is the deity who delivers the sentence upon Loki to be bound underground with a serpent dripping poison upon his face in payment for his crimes.

Frigga, Odin's wife, was considered to be the Mother of all; and protectoress of children. She spins the sacred Distaff of life, and is said to know the future, although she will not speak of it.

The goddess of the dead and the afterlife was Hel and was portrayed as being half-dead, half alive herself. we view her with considerable trepidation. The Dutch, Gallic, and Germanic tribes viewed her with some beneficence, more of a gentler form of death and transformation. She is seen by them as Mother Holle; a being of pure Nature, being helpful in times of need, but vengeful upon those who cross her or transgress natural law.

Odin's son, Baldur, the god of Love and Light, is sacrificed at Midsummer by the dart of the mistletoe, and is reborn at Jul . Supposedly his return will not occur until after the onslaught of the Ragnarok, which I see as a cleansing and enlightenment more than wanton, purposeless destruction. Baldur's blind brother Hodur was his slayer, whose hand was guided by the crafty Loki. He is married to the goddess of Joy, Nanna.

Other Gods and Goddesses include Sif, the Harvest Goddess; Forseti, the god of Law and Justice; Bragi, the bard of the Gods and muse of Poetry; Weiland (Weyland), the Smith of the Gods, Idunna, the goddess of Youth and Beauty; Vidar and Vali, the sons of Odin who will survive Ragnarok; Magni and Modi, the sons of Thor; Eostre, the goddess of Spring and of fertility, Hoenir, the messenger of the Aesir; Sunna and Mani, the Sun and Moon; Ullr, the God of the Hunt; and Nerthus, Goddess of the Sea and of Rivers.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:02 am

So I was right in a way...with Odin and stuff....
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:25 am

WOW! Dont you know that I have a book titled thunder god and it's a story about . And Odin is a character there. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:58 am

The norse belief on the start of the world is roughly this.

There was nothing in the beginning but seemingly almost endless chasm called the Ginnungagap. Ginnungagap was bordered by Niflheim, which is the place of darkness and ice, far to the north; and Muspelheim, a place of fire, far to the south. Out of this chaos the first being came into existence from the drop of water when ice from Niflheim and fire from Muspelheim met.

This first being was Ymir, a primeval giant. The frost-giants called him Aurgelmir, but everyone else called him Ymir. Ymir became father of a race of frost-giants.

Ymir was the father of six-headed son that was nourished by a 'cosmic' cow called Audumla. Audumla fed herself by licking the salty rime-stone, until that stone was licked into a shape of man. This stone-man was named Buri and he was the first primeval god. Buri was the father of Bor.

Bor married the giantess Bestla, the daughter of the frost-giant Boltha. And they became the parents of the first Aesir gods Odin, Vili (Hoenir) and Ve.

Ymir grew so large and so evil that the three gods killed Ymir. The blood that flowed from Ymir's wound was so great that almost all the frost giants drowned in the torrent. Only the frost giants Bergelmer and his wife escape the flood in a chest, arriving on the mountain of Jötunheim (Jotunheim), which became the home of the giants.

Odin and his brothers then used Ymir's body to create the universe. This universe comprises of nine worlds. They placed the body over the void called Ginnungagap.

They used his flesh for creating the earth and his blood for the sea. His skull, held up by four dwarves (Nordri, Sudri, Austri, and Vestri), was used to create the heaven. Then using sparks from Muspelheim, the gods created the sun, moon and stars. While Ymir's eyebrows were used to create a place where the human race could live in; a place called Midgard.

A great ash tree called Yggdrasill supported the universe, with roots that connects the nine worlds together. One root of Yggdrasill extends to Muspelheim, while another root to Niflheim. Niflheim was sometimes confused with Niflhel; Niflhel being known by another name – Hel, was the world of the dead. Hel was sometimes used interchangeably with Niflhel by many writers, as the world of the dead.

The name, Yggdrasill, means "Steed of Ygg". Ygg is another name for Odin. Odin's horse is named Sleipnir, While one root was connected to Asgard, another root to Vanaheim. The frost giants lived Jötunheim. Midgard was the world for human. Alfheim was home of the light elves. There was also the underground world for the black elves, called Svartalfheim. The dwarves inhabited the world of Nidavellir.

Besides the three roots of Yggdrasill, there were three wells.
The Norns guarded the Urdarbrunnr, which is often known as "Wyrd's Well" or "Urda's Well". The Wyrd's Well was considered to be very holy. The Norns were Urda or Weird or Wyrd, Verdandi and Skuld Two swans drink from this well.

The Norns cared for the root near the Weird's Well. Every day, they take water from the holy well, pouring on the root and soil, so that at least this root doesn't rot or decay likes the other roots. The mud was white in colour. This white mud caused honeydew to fall to the earth, keeping the valley around the well to be forever green.

Each day, the Aesir sit at the court at Weird's Well. Horses take the Aesir to this court. Odin rides Sleipnir. Ten other horses were given names: Glad, Gyllir, Glær, Skeidbrimir, Silfrtopp, Sinir, Gils, Falhofnir, Gulltopp and Lettfet. Balder's horse was burned with him. Apart from Sleipnir and Gulltopp, no specific horses were assigned to a particular god. The Aesir must ride across Bifrost to reach Weird's Well.
Thor doesn't bother to ride to attend the court. Thor walked and waded through the rivers, Kormat and Ormt and two Kerlaugs.

The second well was Mímisbrunnr or the "Well of Mimir", which was also known as the "Well of Knowledge". The well was said to be guarded by the Aesir god named Mimir, a Norse god of wisdom. See the Well of Knowledge in the Search for Wisdom on how Odin pay Mimir to drink from this well.

The third well was called Hvergelmir or the "Roaring Kettle", where a giant serpent called Nidhogg, continuously gnaws at the root of Niflheim. Eventually, Nidhogg will eat its way through the root that will cause Yggdrasill to collapse. But this won't happen until Ragnarok finally arrived. Nidhogg also liked sucking on the bodies of the dead.

There are many other animals that dwelled around Yggdrasill. Apart from Nidhogg, there were countless snakes living with the great serpent. From above, four harts or stags feed on the foliage. The harts were given the names of Dain, Duneyr, Durathror and Dvalin. So with Nidhogg feeding on one root from above, the stags feed from above, while the side of the tree rotted, Yggdrasill suffered greatly.

Perched on one of the branches was a great eagle, wise beyond its years. A hawk, called Vedrfolnir sit between the eyes of the eagle. Not only that. There was a squirrel called Ratatosk who seemed to enjoy running up and down the great ash tree, delivering malicious messages between the eagle from above and Nidhogg below.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:45 pm

I felt like I was reading a story...like a modern story. That's how much that captures my imagination/attention.

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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:18 am

In a way it is.

Our code.

The Nine Noble Virtues.
1.Courage
2.Truth
3.Honour
4.Fidelity
5.Discipline
6.Hospitality
7.Self Reliance
8.Industriousness
9.Perseverance

The Nine Charges.
1.To maintain candour and fidelity in love and devotion to the tried friend: though he strike me I will do him no scathe.
2.Never to make wrongsome oath: for great and grim is the reward for the breaking of plighted troth.
3.To deal not hardly with the humble and the lowly.
4.To remember the respect that is due to great age.
5.To suffer no evil to go unremedied and to fight against the enemies of Faith, Folk and Family: my foes I will fight in the field, nor will I stay to be burnt in my house.
6.To succour the friendless but to put no faith in the pledged word of a stranger people.
7.If I hear the fool's word of a drunken man I will strive not: for many a grief and the very death groweth from out such things.
8.To give kind heed to dead men: straw dead, sea dead or sword dead.
9.To abide by the enactments of lawful authority and to bear with courage the decrees of the Norns.
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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:51 am

Is 9 a significant number then? Question

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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:34 pm

This is so fascinating. Got some random questions for you Elissa.
First of all, if you got no temples or anything, how do you teach the young children about your religion? Small children usually need something visual to go by, so have you got idols of the gods or pictures maybe?

Secondly you say "Our gods are true gods, divine, living, spiritual entities, endowed with power and intelligence, able and willing to intervene in the course of Nature and of human lives." What do you mean by this exactly?

Thirdly, you state there are in total nine world, three in each....plane shall we say? Well what is the difference between the three of the same plane? For example what is the difference between 'Vanaheimr', 'Midgard' and 'Jötunheimr'?

Fourthly what is this 'mah booty' that you speak of?

Fifthly, I have read some Norse mythology, and you speak of Ragnarok as if it has already been predicted, and every god's role in the Ragnarok has also been described. So has it already happened or is it about to happen in the future?

Lastly, I had heard that the worshipers of Odin believed that suicide by hanging was a way to enter Valhalla. Was it true? If so, how did it fit in 'The Nine Noble Virtues' and 'The Nine Charges' that you've mentioned?

Well, those are all for now. I hope I haven't stated anything offensive or incorrect. Your descriptions were most revealing. There was a rather interesting similarity between how Odin, Vili and Ve killed Ymir, to the Greek mythology where Kronos was killed by his three sons. Um, one last question, what became of Vili and Ve?

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PostSubject: Re: Ask an Odinist   Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:27 pm

Artrain, "mah booty" is a thing with the filter. It's been fixed, but after that post was up.

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